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The Computer ([personal profile] thecomputer) wrote in [community profile] alphacomplex2014-11-09 04:32 pm
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TRIAL 02

Attention, Citizens! You have ten minutes to proceed to the Loyalty Chamber. Anyone who is late to the Loyalty Chamber, or who brings any weapons into the Loyalty Chamber, will be immediately executed.

[Once you arrive, you will find a large chamber, with twenty podiums spaced around the room in a circle. On the ceiling, a massive screen showing the digital eye of The Computer, turning to look at whoever is talking.]

You have one hour to come to a consensus about who to eliminate. Ties will be broken randomly.

[The floor of the chamber begins to split apart, eventually only leaving the twenty podiums as safe places to stand, above a seemingly bottomless abyss. Each podium lights up with a touch screen showing twenty user IDs (the dead are grayed out), plus the word “ABSTAIN”. However, ABSTAIN has now been grayed out as well. The trial begins now!]

[[Vote here.]]
schrodingers_man: (As heads is tails)

[personal profile] schrodingers_man 2014-11-10 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
Can I talk now?

Yes?

Good.

I've got some suggestions for discussion, if you'd all like to listen to me. I think our best bet for hitting a Communist tonight without the Loyalty Officer's guidance is to go back to thinking over the Indoctrinator's actions. Thinking about why was a wash, but if we can figure out who, we should have at least one Communist in the bag. They didn't have any more information about roles at the beginning than we do now, so it should be possible to reason it out.

Theory One is that they recruited a friend of one of the Communists. It makes sense. There's only five Communists to start with, so it's unlikely that two people who already know each other would end up picked. That leaves the question of who already knows each other. Horace Knightley and Simon Keyes are obvious. Rin Tohsaka and Sakura Matou are, too. I've been told it's possible that Detective Fullbright and Robin Newman might be acquainted. Do either of you want to confirm or deny that one? And... Greed told me he knew Kimbley, but I think it's pretty safe to rule that one out.

Of those three pairs, I think Knightley and Simon are the safest. Simon mentioned in yesterday's trial that they'd talked about conversion if one of them was picked as a Communist, and I don't think he'd do that if they actually carried out that plan. Even if Fullbright and Robin are acquainted, with an age gap like that, they're probably not very close. Which leaves Sakura and Rin as our most likely suspects.

By that theory.

I've got another one, but it's got a lot more conjecture in it. The first night we were here, the Communists killed Seryu Ubiquitous, scanned someone, and converted a third. The second night, the targeted Clay Puppington. He has a role, so it's likely that he was their choice for scanning on the first night. If the Communists didn't have any friends they wanted to save by converting, then it's possible they used it as a way to take out someone they perceived as a potential threat, or to recruit someone they thought we wouldn't see as a threat.

Seryu described justice as her hobby, and the kind of person who would confess to being a Communist if she was picked to be one. Clay is... [ Don't say 'a useless piece of shit,' don't say 'a useless piece of shit,' don't say 'a useless piece of shit' ] probably the only person here who cares about Communism in its original context. Even if he ended up as a Communist, he'd just be dead weight. [ Like he is for them. ] They're both people who seem like they'd take the conceit of the exercise more seriously than actually winning it.

...Somebody who fits that sort of personality is another possibility.
fullonbraced: (I'M READY! WOOOO!!!)

[personal profile] fullonbraced 2014-11-10 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I know detective Fullbright. He arrested my friend on false charges, man!
schrodingers_man: (Hope you guess my name)

[personal profile] schrodingers_man 2014-11-10 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
Not a fan, then, I take it?
fullonbraced: (It's all about the art maaaan!)

[personal profile] fullonbraced 2014-11-10 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
No, not really! He's just some detective otherwise.

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alchemicals: (007.)

[personal profile] alchemicals 2014-11-10 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
...Right, and before anyone tries to say Yomiel is full of shit and trying to throw me under for some bizarre backhanded reason, because apparently everyone just hates Yomiel today, I can confirm that I knew Greed. I told Newman about it, too.

That said...and here I thought you wanted me to pick apart your theories. Suspecting Matou and Tohsaka seems sound enough to me.
Edited 2014-11-10 02:56 (UTC)
schrodingers_man: (As heads is tails)

[personal profile] schrodingers_man 2014-11-10 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
That one's probably my strongest pick, too. It's not much to go on, but we have to pick someone.
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[personal profile] alchemicals 2014-11-10 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
I'm curious about this second theory of yours, though; do you have any examples?

Assuming that we can hear it without all frothing at the mouth. I'd understand if you don't want to take the chance.

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[personal profile] standbyrival 2014-11-10 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
Narrowing it down to Matou or Tohsaka is a decent 50/50 shot, sure. Your other theory is kind of a stretch though, and there's not much we can pull from it.

That said, I still think Robin is a likely candidate, too. Even taking the conversion thing into account--that Anthy girl was quick to defend him, and when I asked them both why, they first said it's because they've grown close via sharing a room together, along with Kimbley, which, honestly sounds like tauros crap to me. Anthy also said Robin reminded her of her fiance. It's not a complete stretch to think they could have coaxed each other to switch if they bonded oh so quickly, but I'm suspicious of them in general now.
schrodingers_man: (I've been around for a long long year)

[personal profile] schrodingers_man 2014-11-10 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
...

[ Something about that seems to bother Yomiel a little, but it doesn't look like he's going to volunteer what it is. ]

It's a thought.
standbyrival: (crying pink things)

[personal profile] standbyrival 2014-11-10 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
[welp, he's not going to not badger him on it]

What's that supposed to mean?

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[personal profile] harshwords 2014-11-10 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
Those sure are some interesting theories. Though, like I told Paul-kun over there earlier, I won't hesitate to kill Sakura if I have to in any case.

alchemicals: (005.)

[personal profile] alchemicals 2014-11-10 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
So does "sacrificing someone on your own side" fall under "if you have to"? Because if it does, your word doesn't mean shit.
harshwords: (♦ how about you go fuck yourself)

[personal profile] harshwords 2014-11-10 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
If we're both Communists, then yes, it would count. But I already know that I'm not to be trusted. After all, Yomiel-san's logic is sound. That is, if Sakura truly wished to protect me.

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[personal profile] respring 2014-11-10 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
[ She seems to consider this, quiet as ever. ]

Ah, I'm sorry, I don't have much to offer in terms of theories or feedback here, it seems I'm better simply listening, but...

As logical as neesan and I defending each other is from an unfiltered point of view, it's not likely to happen. I'd like to rush to her aid, but we've been estranged for over ten years. [ a shrug. it wasn't a lie. in her 'world', they'd patched up, become proper sisters again, but the Rin that was here...wasn't the Rin she'd reconnected with. ] Sharing a room is probably the closest we'll come here, if you're willing to take my words at face value.

She won't hesitate to take my life, after all.

[personal profile] in_plain_sight 2014-11-10 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
That's, um... that's rough, about your relationship with her...

[TOTALLY ON TOPIC AND NECESSARY but she feels you on this, Sakura.]
respring: (kokoro is brokoro ₎ dokidokis)

[personal profile] respring 2014-11-10 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
[ she blinks in confusion for a few moments before: ]

Does Ikusaba-san also have a troublesome sister?

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thefaceofjustice: (Do you like my sunglasses?)

[personal profile] thefaceofjustice 2014-11-10 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
[Nods.] Mr. Newman was part of a trial I was investigating before I got here.

I think the message that turned up is too important to ignore. I couldn't get any fingerprints off of it... but I'm pretty sure it was left by a communist to falsely accuse Ms. Phi. The loyalty officer called it fake, and I can't see a reason for another citizen to have written it.

I spoke to Ms. Phi, and she said she hadn't had any private conversations before the message appeared, or any reason to suspect anyone else of having a reason to write it... except for Mr. Kimbley, whom she voted against on the first trial.

This isn't decisive evidence, but it's not based on personality or relationships, and the message is the only move we can see that they've made outside of their night actions. They probably thought the loyalty officer would either stay quiet or reveal themselves. But that didn't happen; what happened is that now Ms. Phi looks more like a safe ally. If they slipped-up, we shouldn't ignore it.

...I'm really sorry Mr. Kimbley... but unless something changes, you're my top suspect.
alchemicals: ...periodically (006.)

[personal profile] alchemicals 2014-11-10 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
...So tell me something, Fulbright. Why would I do something that obvious?

[Kimbley, to his credit, does not seem bothered by the accusation.]

I was the only one with a weird vote against me during the last trial. Why the hell would I go after the person who did it, unless I'm really just that petty? I'm no tactician, but I don't go around painting targets on my head and standing in front of a sniper nest.

If we're going to be using logic like that, you could just as easily say Phi is trying to set me up - first by placing the weird vote, then making it look like I'm after her for some sort of fuckheaded revenge.
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[personal profile] thefaceofjustice 2014-11-10 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
It's not solid proof... you're a suspect, not a convict. But I think it'd be even less fair to vote on feelings, and I don't have any stronger leads to go on.

Are you saying you think Ms. Phi is one of them? What if the loyalty officer didn't respond, and she was voted out?

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schrodingers_man: (Hope you guess my name)

[personal profile] schrodingers_man 2014-11-10 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Let me ask you a question, Detective. If the Communists left that message, and it looks like they did, then why? To get us to vote for one of our own, right? But why would they bother to do that? We didn't have any leads yesterday, and we don't have any leads today. It's still likely, no matter who we choose, that we'll end up picking one of our own again.

The purpose of a trap like this is to mislead us, and they wouldn't need to mislead us unless we were actually close. Only one person voted for Kimbley yesterday, but I think most of found the idea that the Communists would recruit someone they know pretty believable.
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[personal profile] thefaceofjustice 2014-11-10 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
You could be right. I don't know for sure if this is the path of justice! Without strong evidence, I would abstain again if I could. But if I have to, I'm going to vote for the top suspect... even if I can't be sure, and might be making an awful mistake......

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[personal profile] in_plain_sight 2014-11-10 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
You eliminated most of the pairs as being particularly likely to indoctrinate each other, right? So... doesn't your theory accusing Tohsaka and Matou only work if one of them was a communist to begin with? There's... only a one in four chance of that, if I have the math right.

[You don't need good math skills to shoot people, so she might not have it right.]
schrodingers_man: (Hope you guess my name)

[personal profile] schrodingers_man 2014-11-10 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
You've got it right and wrong. Probability's tricky like that. Every single one of us has a one in four chance of having been picked as a Communist. But I named a sample of six people. Eight if you count Greed and Kimbley. Picking between just two people, you're not much more likely to get a hit than if you're looking at just one, but between six or eight people, there's a much higher chance that one of those hit that one in four chance. Every lottery ticket has the same chance of being a winner, but if you buy more, there's a higher chance one of your tickets will win, right? It's like that.

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[personal profile] plentyfriendly 2014-11-10 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
As far as I'm concerned communism as a philosophy has been mostly irrelevant for nearly half a century.

[The Cold War was in the 80s and it's the late 2020s. So... yeah.]
schrodingers_man: (Hope you guess my name)

[personal profile] schrodingers_man 2014-11-10 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
I think pretty much all of us agree on that one.

[ He's not saying Clay's an idiot, but.

Clay's an idiot. ]